The creation of MAGENTA: A Tale of Two Worlds was a largely personal process. From scripting to embodying the characters on screen, multidisciplinary artists, Ann-Maree Quaynor (AMKMQ) and Angel Oduko are adamant about presenting the stories of their debut collaboration, MAGENTA, on their own terms. Largely undertaken as a means of self reflection through which they could explore their similar post-pandemic realities, the short film turned into an investigation of the pair’s psyches. 

Armed with backgrounds in art and filmmaking, the two sought to visualise their lived experiences as African women traversing life both at home and in the diaspora, and how that affects their interactions with reality as well as the metaphysical world. “It was an attempt to deeply understand ourselves and our culture plus the effect of living as a global West African citizen,” Angel Oduko shared in an interview with The NATIVE. 

AMKMQ and Oduko’s synergy is immediately established both on and off screen, allowing them to seamlessly overcome the countless difficulties women and independent filmmakers face in Nigeria. They dug deep, sorting through a plethora of emotions that unearth a search for oneself many can relate to. While paying homage to Afrofuturism and old Nollywood to reimagine African spirituality, the film largely took a personal approach, drawing inspiration from women the duo admire in their personal lives. Both Oduko and AMKMQ agree that MAGENTA was a labour of love but one well worth their while for the opportunity it gave them to shape their ideas of spirituality with a renewed perspective. 

“She isn’t necessarily good or evil, she just is. She’s an ancestral spirit. She’s the truth that we’ve had to live with for centuries since colonisation. She’s a representation of our wildest dreams and also a great taboo, because traditional religion is still a great taboo in West Africa,” Angel Oduko on Spirit Guide

Following an Ivy Film Festival debut, which earned MAGENTA: A Tale of Two Worlds a Grand Jury Prize for Best Direction of an Experimental Film, AMKMQ and Oduko spoke to us about the film’s visual choices, its major reference points and more. 

 

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Our conversation has been lightly edited for clarity and length. 

I watched the film and I am very intrigued by it. What first inspired the idea for the story?

AMKMQ: We were both in Nigeria for longer periods than usual, reflecting on these sort of existential themes; even [regarding] just how much our lives shifted when we came home. We were also processing things in our personal lives and Magenta started off as a passion project. It was something to keep us occupied and creatively stimulated whilst we were at home. The backdrop of everything still felt a bit strange considering it was post-pandemic and pre-election time. There was a lot that we wanted to explore within that and it just grew into a larger project.

Would you say characters in the film occupied similar positions? 

AMKMQ: It was definitely a very reflective process but also an outlet in an abstract world where we could process our real lives, while realising we’re creating characters. There is that distance that gives you clarity over the entire process and the pain you’re experiencing in that moment.  

Oduko: It was definitely used as a medium to express what we were going through at that time.

When it came down to the final process of writing the script, did you feel any catharsis or did it change the way you felt about being in Lagos? 

Oduko: I wouldn’t say that it did. I think it just shone a spotlight on exactly what we were going through spiritually, emotionally and mentally because the film is really an exploration of both of our psyches, as well as our spiritual and mental health and well-being. It was an attempt to deeply understand ourselves and our culture plus the effect of living as a global West African citizen. The difficulties that come from living in Lagos were also very apparent through the course of filming. If anything, it just cemented how we were feeling.

AMKMQ: 100%. So much happened within that time period. We were learning about ourselves and the subject matter as we were shooting and editing. The actual production process was so experimental which made it a constant [learning] process. It felt like something that was shifting in our hands as we were moulding it. 

You both developed the initial story idea together. What changed between your initial idea and the final product? 

AMKMQ: We split up the process. It went through multiple layers of experiences and thought. We came up with the story and Angel wrote the script. Then we both conceptualised it into what it actually was. MAGENTA was both of our seeds but we nurtured it in separate ways to tap into our strongest individual capacities. It was a labour of love that went through a lot of thought, expectations, desires and what we have at the end is an amalgamation of the first few ideas and so many iterations of other new ideas. 

Did you have any difficulty making sure both your visions were reflected? 

Oduko: Yeah, definitely. I think in any creative collaboration, there’s bound to be creative friction. That is part of what makes it a living and breathing piece of art, especially when it’s something so personal and experimental. We were threading our own DNA into this film so there were definitely times when we were both sensitive and had to figure out how to traverse the difficulties. We had never worked together and it was also our first short film so that came with its own challenges. I would say in the pre-production stage, we had some friction because we both wanted to feel seen and in the end, we made sure that happened.

AMKMQ: I’ve worked in production and theatre but Angel’s actually studied that and I’m more of an independent artist. While we had different approaches to making it, we filled in the gaps where the other person was lacking. When you’re working with someone else you’re definitely gonna have points of contention. That’s part of the learning process. But we realised we both wanted the film so bad that we weathered through any sort of disagreement. The moments one of us is feeling more depleted then that other person can have a bit more energy. I even appreciate the contrast to my individual practice. There’re definitely pros and cons but it’s more like learning lessons and there are many things to be grateful for. 

AMKMQ you have a background, as you said, as a multi-disciplinary artist. Do you think that impacted the way you approached the film visually? Did you draw inspiration from any other art forms? 

AMKMQ: Definitely. In my personal practice, my current thesis is about moving paintings – so approaching film as paintings. I can’t divorce my background in paintings and other mediums from how I approached editing the film just as Angel’s background in writing the film informed the pace, the storytelling and the style. To me, paintings are almost like an elevated frame or screenshot where you’re trying to tell an extensive story or pass an extensive message, feeling or sentiment within the composition. I think that definitely imprints how I approach my video work in general. 

With the visuals, what would you say were the main references used to develop the film? 

Oduko: We had a lot of style influences but our major one was old Nollywood. We were really trying to make a 21st century contemporary Nollywood art theme by bringing together so many different art styles like Absurdism, Surrealism, African futurism, Horror and even Fantasy. It’s an amalgamation of all these different things. 

AMKMQ: We even explored Anime. It was just a multidisciplinary process the entire way through. I think we also had our own ideas locked in so we knew where we wanted to harvest references. We knew the essence of our story and some cool ways that people have explored that in the past. From there, we started approaching it through our own lens. The Lost Okoroshi was a major reference. That was probably the most similar in terms of formats but definitely a lot of different references.

What informed your decision to cast yourselves as Akua and Sade?  

AMKMQ: It was such a small cast we wanted everyone to really be in sync with the part they were playing.

It seemed like you could relate to the feelings that your characters were going through.

Oduko: That’s what I was saying earlier about how our experiences [are woven] into the DNA of the film. It was always our intention to play these characters because personally, as a writer and an actor, I write to be in the things I write. I just wanted to create something that I would love to act in and be a part of. I looked to the women around me to inform the characters. My mom, sister, friends and so on, just to highlight things we’ve all mutually experienced in this realm as West African women. I think it was about both us feeling close to the subject, but also really wanting the execution done properly and exactly how we envisioned it. 

AMKMQ: We also both had trust in the other person even though we had our own set of experiences. If it was just the two of us and we had a camera, it would have been done in two days. But we didn’t have everything we wanted and there was a fear of destabilising all the shifting parts. When you’re in front of the camera, you need to have so much intrinsic trust with the person behind the camera and if that person is struggling, we’re meant to be supporting their vision to fruition. It sometimes caused momentary friction where things didn’t turn out as expected but realising it’s not just about ‘your’ creative process. 

Oduko:  It was pretty smooth for us, navigating the front and back of the camera. The one time I had a real difficulty with directing was when one of the men was trying to direct my actors for me. I’m a Leo and I’m not afraid to look like the bad guy. I’m here trying to take the role of director on my own film. The audacity of this man to question me, mansplaining things to me even.

AMKMQ: Especially with this subject matter, it was really weird. Angel has more onset film experience so I didn’t even realise. I was annoyed at how egregious it was. 

I want to touch on the film’s characters a bit more. Where did the idea to use the Spirit Guide to represent the film’s themes come from, and what was the casting process for this role?

Oduko: It was an exploration and investigation of our culture … the effect living in the West has had on both our spiritual and mental health, and the Spirit Guide represents us trying to understand our culture, community and our old ways of life. She isn’t necessarily good or evil, she just is. She’s an ancestral Spirit. She’s the truth that we’ve had to live with for centuries since colonisation. She’s a representation of our wildest dreams and also a great taboo, because traditional religion is still a great taboo in West Africa now. She represents a world that could really never be ours because she’s a spirit walking amongst us, visible to us. 

AMKMQ: Before even getting into the casting process, we wanted her to symbolise the sense of enlightenment and the pursuit of clarity. It’s clarity within the context of the past, present and the future. Africanism and Afrofuturism is so much about giving yourself solace for colonialism and all the other horrible things that happened. 

Oduko: For the casting, we wanted the spirit guide to be a regal, authoritative figure. 

AMKMQ: We didn’t want to demonise the ancestral spirituality in a way that made it seem like this is a distant evil spirit following the characters. We wanted it to be ambiguous but it turned out how it was supposed to. 

Angel: Spirit Guide is about enlightenment. It represents what it would be like were we not interrupted by colonisation. 

In terms of distribution, what was the process like? You’ve already screened at a festival and won an award. Can you talk about that process?

AMKMQ: The festivals were interesting and majorly about campaigning for yourself and the ideas we felt were important for the film. It was stressful but rewarding and we did it as a form of practice to apply ourselves. We knew it deserved the recognition but the submissions were majorly about getting the practice in. If we didn’t get in, we would’ve been completely ok with that. It made the process all the more rewarding when we went so far as getting an award. Not like the recognition could have confirmed or denied [how special] MAGENTA [was], but having that experience transcended all of the pain that came with the actual process. It was the first time I was able to step back and appreciate the film. 

That must have been really special. The film can be described as quite abstract and absurdist, with potentially multiple ways to interpret it. If there’s just one thing you want audiences to take away from it, what would it be? 

AMKMQ: It has to be something about enlightenment which is sometimes scary. Sometimes, what you fear is not what you should run from. 

Angel: The theme song of the film is called “You Can’t Go Back” and that really does represent what the feeling of enlightenment  is. You really can’t go back to a time where we were uninterrupted. We have to move forward with the knowledge that we could have been something else or existed in a completely different way as West Africans but we’re here now. We have been interrupted and we have this knowledge of our ancestors. We are striving towards the future with that knowledge and we’re living in the present. We have to keep moving, we have to go forward and we have to wake up. 

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CAST

Spirit Guide: Tamilore Fashola  

Sade Adebowale: Angel Oduko

Akua Mawusi: AMKMQ 

CREW

Directed by: Angel Oduko & AMKMQ 

Produced by: AMKMQ  Studios tm & Angel Oduko

Executive Producers: Brown University, Angel Oduko, AMKMQ

Written by: Angel Oduko

Edited by: AMKMQ Studios tm

Director of Photography: Dede Jemide, Bryan Ibeh 

Assistant Camera: Tseyinmi Omasteye 

Assistant Director: Mr. Kolours 

Composer: Rawo- “You Can’t Go Back”

Sound design: Tiankai Li   

Colorist: Richard Shi & Mr. Kolours

Costume Design: Angel Oduko & AMKMQ Studios tm

Visual Effects: AMKMQ, Angel Oduko & Subuola Makinde 

Technical Assistance: ClovaCreate tm 

Production Manager: Khadijah Okoya

Production Assistant: Subuola Makinde

Gaffers: Isaac Okoli & Endurance Lights tm

Sound Recordist: Oyin Sound

Watch MAGENTA: A Tale of Two Worlds here

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